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« Are you still here? | Main | IP addresses for parliament.uk (a Whois address lookup source) » November 9, 2005Here we go...4:38pm - Heh. The Speaker made a funny. MPs are now voting. Back in 12-15 minutes. Blow-by-blow here if you're bored. 4:48pm - Still waiting, but I've been meaning to blog this; I suspect that - as with Division 118 during the last election - how MPs vote here is going to be a candidate litmus test for a lot of people at the next election. This applies especially to emergency arm-twisters like Gordon Brown. As you make your bed... 4:56pm - 322 against... that's a no... a BIG no! Blair defeated 322 votes to 291. 31 vote margin! 31 votes! Democracy rules! 4:58pm - I am now playing God Gave Rock & Roll To You at full blast. Go Commons, go Commons!!!!! 5:04pm - MPs will now vote for 28 days detention. A prediction: If this passes, the Blair Faithful will try to present this as Teh Big Win (hey, it *is* double). But Blair put his entire weight (and Gordon's) behind 90 days ... and it wasn't enough. Blair's finished. His survival prior to this relied heavily on a perception of invulnerability. No more. We have taken an important step toward a sensible and responsible approach to terrorism. 5:15pm - 28 days passes with 323 for and 290 against. I'm off down the pub before Hazel Blears shoves her face in front of a camera. See you in the morning. Late-ish. UPDATE - I've left my pint behind to come back to base camp and say the following: 1. With the exception of two social events, from tomorrow I am officially on the wagon again for another 30 days (coincidentally, this adds up to 28 days). It's not a tax-strike this time, but instead a special treat for my liver. 2. I have a message for Rebekah Wade: Sweetums, you're probably going to go out for a few drinks tonight. Try not to lose your temper, there's a dear. Posted by Manic on November 9, 2005 4:39 PM in the category The War on Stupid Pings (Trackback)For trackbacks, this is the URL: Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Here we go...:
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» Winnick's amendment - 28 days from Talk Politics Tracked on November 9, 2005 5:14 PM Comments This looks suspiciously like the old Tory tactic of announcing something completely f*cking mental so that it looks entirely fine when merely unpleasant and unreasonable measures are subsequently introduced, though. As today's Private Eye points out, 28 days is still a good deal more than anyone else allows. Posted by: Wolf Solent at November 9, 2005 5:30 PM - Totally agree on its excess... but that's one hell of a gamble to make when you're in Blair's position, isn't it? Posted by: Manic at November 9, 2005 6:16 PM - *ring ring, ring ring* "Steve? It's Ross. Yeah. Rebakah's out tonight. Yeah. Again. With Blunkett. Yeah. Wanna come over?" What am I insinuating? Posted by: Scaryduck at November 9, 2005 7:42 PM - Hahahahahahaha! And on *my* blog, too. You slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag! Posted by: Manic at November 9, 2005 8:28 PM - It was awesome, but I think it's a trap. The only risk he took was that PC Plod and his chums would be stupid enough to peddle his propaganda. As to what just happened in Parliament, it was a win-win gamble for him. By losing that vote he's made himself terrorist-proof. When the next bomb blows up, he can say it's nothing to do with Iraq, it's all those woolly liberal Tories voting down these vital measures. His modus operandi all the way through is to have the gall to peddle lies to a gullible and misinformed public, and triumph from it. Posted by: goatchurch at November 9, 2005 10:05 PM - Yes, I thought that too, but he's only terrorist proof if any future bombers were arrested prior to the bombing and had to be released because the 28 days were up. If they either weren't arrested, or they were arrested and released before 28 days, then he won't be able to use it. Posted by: s7uar7 at November 9, 2005 10:30 PM - The only flaw in that argument, s7uar7, is that it relies on logic and not faith (or fear). goatchruch: *That* said... Blair isn't omnipotent, neither is he invulnerable... but Clarke's backpedalling on Friday's poll (make that 'discussion-prompter') clearly showed the strings. *But*... I was greatly disturbed when listening to the debates this afternoon. Far too many Conservatives hung their argument on the 'how can I be an opportunist if public opinion is for it' hook for me to be happy about it. Blair's control of mainstream media was the problem in the lead-up to Iraq, and it remains a problem... but I still think he's been weakened by this. Considerably. I would have loved to have been in the back-bars in Westminster this evening, when the 'when', not 'if' word was sure to be in play. Posted by: Manic at November 9, 2005 10:38 PM - I never thought he's omnipotent. He's just playing a game now, more than ever before, and is simply going erratically for broke, like a gambler going to ruin. He knows this is his last chance to play King of the World, because afterwards we will bury his corpse so deep it will be preserved for a thousand years. He is not going to leave Downing Street willingly, ever. It will take five guys with crow-bars to shift him and bring him out tied to a stretcher. The time has come for all these party members wake up to the fact that it's no longer a game of waiting, that they have to actually stick their necks out and do something, or they will continue to be humiliated by this psychopath who is their leader. Posted by: goatchurch at November 10, 2005 1:01 PM - Post a commentThanks for signing in, . Now you can comment. (sign out) (If you're new to Bloggerheads, you may need to be approved by the moderator before your comment will appear. Until then, it won't appear on the entry. Thanks for waiting.) | |