Dizzy thinks (or hopes) that his readers are morons

Posted by Tim Ireland at November 12, 2007

Category: The Political Weblog Movement

This entry was posted on
Monday, November 12th, 2007
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[Note – You may at some stage need to right-click on any links to Dizzy’s website and paste them in a new browser tab or window, as he has a track record of not only hampering open debate by refusing to use outbound links, but also by fouling inbound links. Clicking on links via bloggerheads.com rather than using the navigational information in those links could result in you being redirected to a NSFW website.]

Background

Dizzy is a remarkably close associate of Iain Dale’s. Until recently (i.e. until I mentioned it as a relevant aspect in a recent exchange), Dizzy was listed as a contributor to Iain’s website. As noted above, Dizzy also helped Iain enact a code that deliberately fouled page/target-specific inbound links from this website. Iain has also been caught attempting to BCC Dizzy on our email conversations. Finally, in a vote hosted and conducted by Iain Dale, Dizzy has been ranked as the 3rd-best blogger in all of Britain, which is nice.

Dizzy also has a track record of issuing vague and/or veiled threats and – a point crucial to this particular post – engaging in dishonest and misleading attacks in order to misrepresent the argument given, undermine the evidence provided, undermine the reputation of the person making the argument or producing the evidence, and/or undertaking attacks on tangential matters in order to draw attention away from the core issue and related evidence.

Finally, Dizzy is a self-confessed and unapologetic user of sock-puppets.

Late on Friday night, Dizzy returned to the comment thread under this post (happily, using his main ID for once), spoiling for a fight. You can see him charging in on another tangent in the comments under this post.

He was not there to engage in honest debate. He certainly wasn’t there to address the core issue of what had happened on Ellee Seymour’s website.

No, he was there to waste my time (at a time when I had little time/capacity to spare) and even said so at the time.

As was noted when I slapped a well-earned 12-hour ban on him, he was clearly taking the piss in a thread about unfair use of comment moderation, because he thought that I wouldn’t dare to edit or ban him for fear of being called a hypocrite (and/or that he could goad me into a position that would allow him convincingly scream “Hypocrite!”).

Now Dizzy has decided that he is ready to discuss the Ellee Seymour issue, but on his own blog and on terms that are far from honest.

And that’s the only thing that has me blogging today, as what we have here is another common tactic used by dishonest bloggers (Paul Staines and Iain Dale have used it repeatedly), and this textbook example warrants documentation:

How To Misrepresent Your Opponent’s Position More Effectively via the Simple Omission of Hyperlinks

Dizzy Thinks – It’s all so trivial really!

Now, as you can see, I’ve started out by linking to the specific post I’m talking about.

Watch carefully as I do it again:

Dizzy Thinks – It’s all so trivial really!

However, in his post (the one that I link to above; here, watch as I link to it a third time), Dizzy provides two general links to the websites of the people involved, but has not linked to any of the specific posts or comments (at Ellee’s site or mine) that he’s talking about and/or basing his accusations on.

Why? Because much of what he says in that post is addressed, refuted or directly contradicted at both locations (I say “much of” because this new post of his includes some brand new nonsense, as well as the material that he has already tried and failed to gain ground with here under comments or via email).

Basically, specific hyperlinks would lead his readers to material that fatally undermines his argument and/or the claims that form the foundation of his argument, and we can’t have that, now can we?

Let me show you what I mean with a quick fisk of the guts of this post, which represents the core of his argument:

In recent days the female blogger Ellee Seymour has found herself the latest target of the ever so tenacious Tim Ireland. This attack has followed the now standard modus operandi of any of Tim’s targeted onslaughts. (source)

Anyone reading the relevant exchange (or even what’s left of it) should be able to see that even if my response could be classified as an attack, that it all kicked off with this anonymous comment, which is clearly an attack on my reputation and that of Ben Goldacre, that Ellee subsequently refused to address, challenge, moderate or investigate.

But Dizzy’s readers are not given ready access to this information, only his version of events.

However, putting aside the content of the comment which Tim considers a libelous smear, it’s worth noting what happened next. (source)

See here how Dizzy frames his narrative in a way that suggests that the comment (that he does not share with his readers) was not specifically designed to damage my reputation and that of Ben Goldacre. He even edits the Goldacre aspect out before neatly putting the whole matter to one side.

But Dizzy’s readers are not given ready access to this information, only his version of events.

He started to email Ellee demanding the IP address of the person that posted. (source)

This is not what happened at all. Every scrap of data emailed to Ellee was published in this post that Dizzy is talking about but not linking to, and at no time was I “demanding the IP address of the person that posted.”

But Dizzy’s readers are not given ready access to this information, only his version of events.

When Ellee refused, quite rightly, to disclose the data belonging to her users the attack took on a more aggressive edge with veiled legal threats relating, bizarrely, to EU laws and commercial astroturfing. (source)

As was made clear in this post, warnings of legal implications also took into account the (unknown) reaction Ben Goldacre might have to the smear. But Dizzy has already edited this bit out of the equation. And neatly put it to one side.

But Dizzy’s readers are not given ready access to this information, only his version of events.

Dizzy is also claiming, as part of my “veiled legal threats,” that I referred to “EU laws and commercial astroturfing.”

This clearly isn’t the case, as the relevant URL provided to Ellee via email can be seen in the post that Dizzy is talking about but not linking to.

Have a quick peek and see what the article is about for yourselves:

The Register – Judge orders football website to name ‘libellous’ posters: A UK judge has ordered a football fans’ website to hand over details of posters who made potentially defamatory remarks about directors of Sheffield Wednesday… Judge Parkes [also] said that some of the postings, although arguably defamatory, bordered on the trivial. The identity of posters who made remarks that were trivial or likely to be understood as jokes ought to remain under wraps. “The postings which I regard as more serious are those which may reasonably be understood to allege greed, selfishness, untrustworthiness and dishonest behaviour on the part of the claimants,” Judge Parkes said.

With access to that link and a link to the comment that Ellee published (and allowed to stand unmolested), a reader would be well-informed enough to make their own judgement as to whether or not that comment could be viewed as deliberately or “potentially defamatory” (i.e. injurious to reputation) and therefore likely to be subject to a legal outing or “trivial or likely to be understood as jokes” and not subject to a legal outing.

But Dizzy’s readers are not given ready access to this information, only his version of events.

Now watch this one, as it’s the almighty whopper, and it will appear in an upcoming test:

At this point a reference to a recent legal precedent on this very subject is required I think. A case has just closed about postings on Sheffield Wednesday message boards where the unfounded suggestion was made that the Wednesday CEO “blew money on hookers”. The judge, Richard Parkes QC, refused to force the bulletin board owners to disclose the IP address details of posters saying, “I do not think that it would be right to make an order for the disclosure of the identities of users who have posted messages which are barely defamatory or little more than abusive, or likely to be understood as jokes.” The judge also said that the messages “border on the trivial” and were “no more than saloon bar moanings”. (source)

[You there! At the back! Pick your jaw up off the floor and get back to your desk!]

Yes, Dizzy has used the *same* case to back his argument, but has failed to mention the part where the judge *did* order disclosure of details of posters who made comments that were somewhat less-than-trivial… which he can only do successfully for as long as his readers are kept away from this or any other reliable article about the case and the comment that he would have them think is trivial.

And, amazingly, he’s doing it while claiming that I had referenced an entirely different/meaningless case.

But Dizzy’s readers are not given ready access to this information, only his version of events.

Fascinating, isn’t it?

Oh, no, sorry… my mistake. It’s clearly a personal attack that I’ve undertaken for strategic political purposes.

Upcoming Lessons

Speaking of which, Dizzy also took the time to send me the following via email when he was relentlessly venting this weekend:

“What will happen when I start to talk about the other aliases that you’ve used online in the past few years?”

I asked him to give me an example or two, and he replied:

“You don’t honestly think I’m going to tell you that yet do you?”… “I’ll put up at a time of my choosing.”

Now, do correct me if I’m wrong, but if it’s pertinent to the debate, he should have brought it up during that debate, yes?

Otherwise, it’s just (*audible gasp*) a threat; an attempt to intimidate me into silence over his sock-puppeting shenanigans that – unfortunately for him – clearly telegraphs the purpose of his actions should he ever – somehow – make good on his threat.

I bring this up only to alert you to the possibility of a further lesson in How Not To Blog that is most likely to involve:

a) the same as above; Dizzy providing his version of events minus any relevant context or pesky evidence

and/or

b) completely falsified evidence that will allow Dizzy to enjoy the benefit of undermining my reputation with an ‘accidental’ right-wing blog explosion (involving many sites that will refuse me the right of reply when they joyfully repeat his claims) *and* the escape-route of claiming that he falsified the evidence ‘merely’ to prove how easy it is to do so.

Homework

Read this post and try to determine for yourselves why it is an excellent example of when it IS acceptable (and advisable) to not include links to what you are discussing. Extra credit will be given to those students who can work out where Garry’s example and Dizzy’s efforts might intersect, why some people might be upset that I didn’t follow the clear trail of breadcrumbs they left for me, and why you should not bother wasting time with that trail yourself.

Homework without paperwork? I do spoil you sometimes.








7 Comments

  1. Paul.Ferrari says

    I think you're right, but isn't this an occasion where laughing and walking away may have been a better solution ? He set out to annoy and irritate you, and he appears to have done it. Sometimes, the best action against an annoying itch is to ignore it, and it'll go away.

  2. dizzy says

    Notes to Self:1: Learn to read all obsessively meticulous external outbound links properly.2: Remember that those that you challenge will always find the smallest of things to pick up on and ignore the substantive criticism you make of them.3: Remember that when manic people ask you if your email conversation is "private" because they think you might publish it or share it with someone else, that even though you say that is they probably won't repay the favour. You already know that you should trust no one online, you failed dismally in this scenario when you knew that he would do it. Self-flagellate tonight as penance for your own failings at thinking you were dealing with someone who would respect private email conversations when he raises the issue of whether it is private in said conversation. He always does it, you knew he'd do it. School boy error.3: Take comfort that whilst you committed the school boy error in (2) you have exposed that said person is not to be trusted over email and will publish at will even that which he implies is private to you.3: Remember what Stile told you on those newsgroups all those years ago.4: Take comfort in the fact that you have correctly diverted attention away from an innocent woman that does not even know how to turn on comment moderation without asking for support, let alone delete comments. Consider this your good deed for the weekend because you remain the soon to be middle-aged punk that doesn't care what the left wing hippy thinks of him. Better that the bully targets you than her.5: Consider providing bully with your mobile number so in future he can ring you instead of her defenseless female targets.6: Stay beautiful!

  3. Paul.Ferrari says

    7: Learn how to count to 8.

  4. Manic says

    Paul:Due to the tendency of some bloggers to misrepresent the nature of fair deletion, he had to be given a fair hearing, at least to the point where he was clearly abusing the privilege.Dizzy:1: Learn to read all obsessively meticulous external outbound links properly.It was a major aspect of the exchange that you used as the guts of your argument. Fool.2: Remember that those that you challenge will always find the smallest of things to pick up on and ignore the substantive criticism you make of them.See above. And you can talk, after Friday's effort.3: Remember that when manic people ask you if your email conversation is "private" because they think you might publish it or share it with someone else, that even though you say that is they probably won't repay the favour. You already know that you should trust no one online, you failed dismally in this scenario when you knew that he would do it. Self-flagellate tonight as penance for your own failings at thinking you were dealing with someone who would respect private email conversations when he raises the issue of whether it is private in said conversation. He always does it, you knew he'd do it. School boy error.If you threaten me privately, I'll go public with it. But thanks for admitting that I didn't make it up or imagine it.3: Take comfort that whilst you committed the school boy error in (2) you have exposed that said person is not to be trusted over email and will publish at will even that which he implies is private to you.If it deserves to stay private, or even if it doesn't and I'm asked to keep it private, it stays private. Remember that I didn't mention Iain's BCC slip until you opened your big fat mouth.3: Remember what Stile told you on those newsgroups all those years ago.Learn to count?4: Take comfort in the fact that you have correctly diverted attention away from an innocent woman that does not even know how to turn on comment moderation without asking for support, let alone delete comments. Consider this your good deed for the weekend because you remain the soon to be middle-aged punk that doesn't care what the left wing hippy thinks of him. Better that the bully targets you than her.The bully/stalker bullshit has already been addressed, documented and thoroughly discredited. You helped.5: Consider providing bully with your mobile number so in future he can ring you instead of her defenseless female targets.I used phone numbers that Ellee published on her website to alert her to a dual personal attack with possible serious consequences. And was trusting enough to provide her with my home number.6: Stay beautiful!Don't drive drunk.

  5. Manic says

    Hehehe. Nearly tripped over you there, Paul. My fault for thinking that you were walking away.;o)

  6. dizzy says

    Additional Notes to Self:24: Remember to be random at all time.61: Remind yourself each day that those who breach private email trust should not be trusted with any communications. You should probably not even lend them money.54: Always get money from right wing backers for your campaigns.62: Contact Sung.32: Find out if whether he prefers Always or Lillets40: Remember that saying that something is discredited over and over again does not make it so when placed against your behaviour.53: Remember to obsessively catalogue every blog you hate in meticulous order on your machine for easy access later. Consider installing Vista to take advantage of fast search indexing technology.24: Repeat numbers for added comedy affect.81: Always remember to only publish the email the show yourself in a good light and hope to god that the ones where you scream, shout and swear never come to light.89: Always remember that *sings* "It's my life!, It's my life my body!"

  7. Manic says

    Re: #81: Bring it.Re: #'s 24, 61, 54, 62, 32, 40, 53, 24 (again) and 89.You obviously have nothing further to add, and you were warned about (a) staying on topic and (b) penalties that will be doubled with each offence.24 hour ban, starting now. Seem tough? You've more than earned it.

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