Comments on: Glen Jenvey has some explaining to do

By: Ummah

Ummah — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:20:16 +0000

http://www.nme.com/news/mark-ronson/42242

By: Manic

Manic — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:02:43 +0000

Look, boys and girls! I can see true colours, and a veiled threat*, and an obvious troll.(*Psst! What viewers at home cannot see is that Fayruz has changed his IP 'disguise' so he appears to be based in Woking.)I fail to see why I should wait around for evidence you keep saying exists, but have so far failed to produce. Besides, if it existed in the first place, Glen Jenvey wouldn't need to fabricate it, now would he?Not that we'll be speaking again; you now belong to a very exclusive club, in that you're banned from leaving comments on Bloggerheads. That happens sometimes when people sock-puppet, troll, or threaten me on my site. You've done all three, which makes you the current leader on the 'banned' board, ahead of an aggressive Tory and a witless Green. Congratulations.I need to make that last bit clear to you for legal reasons; this is my property, and you no longer have permission to submit material for publication here. I warn you not to bypass any measures I have taken to prevent you from doing so; you should regard the ban as a locked door. If you do not understand what this means, have someone explain it to you.Bye.

By: Fayruz

Fayruz — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:46:09 +0000

Fuck the law. We know extremists when we see them. And we don't need anyone's approval. And we ain't fooling ourselves, we know how effective we are. BTW what's a "sock-puppet"?Hey, I've just worked out we're just up the road from you! Anyways stay tuned for more excitement, the stuff'll be on telly soon!XFyrzPS if you want us to get together a big old load of eveidence of extremism on that forum, just ask and we'll mail it over to you. There's quite a lot!

By: Manic

Manic — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:45:53 +0000

To be frank with you, I think you have delusions about the accuracy, importance and nobility of your 'mission'. While I'm sure that saying this will lead to some form of unwelcome "capability demonstration", it does need to be said.The point you appear to be missing, Fayruz, is that the only evidence of anything approaching extremism at that forum was left by Glen Jenvey – despite weeks of effort, even with "people like Saladin1970" around.You have claimed otherwise. Where's your evidence?You're also telling me in this comment that Glen's main mistake wasn't faking the story, but getting caught by failing to mask his IP.This suggests to me that your morals and ethics are somewhat elastic in nature.I find myself wondering how often you harass people you think/say are extremists, who are nothing of the sort.Either way, trolling is the deliberate disruption and provocation of online communities. Most trollers do it just because they like messing with other people.Most people who do it a lot (like you do) know what the term means, even if they think they are doing it for the right reasons, and that you would claim ignorance about the term makes me even more suspicious of you.You have also dropped many passages from your private comment that have nothing to do with privacy and appear more to be the type of bragging that won't stand the light of day. So here they are, dragged into the light, for everyone to see:"We mess up extremists, hack their phones, PCs, bluetooth, scare them out of their houses…""We hate Jihadi fascist scum. And Panorama, the Daily Telegraph, Angus Walker and CFSC bloomin' love us!"You claim your actions are justified, but it doesn't look that way from here. If anything, especially by acting without any sanction from the law, you appear to be part of the problem instead of anything approaching a solution.(*The media are not the police. You do know that, yes?)I find myself wondering how many actual extremists you've driven underground to the detriment of the efforts of those who are sanctioned by law. I am also dumbfounded that you would see no harm in harassing and alienating moderate Muslims when you claim your battle is against extremism.I have no doubt that you seem some cause and effect if you don't look beyond single tasks, but I have serious doubts about your overall effectiveness.It is in that sense that I think you are fooling yourself.Now, if you have nothing further to add about Glen Jenvey's actions, and if you're quite finished offering personal details about him that I am not interested in, I think we're done here.

By: Fayruz

Fayruz — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:55:55 +0000

Yep, with the sensitive bits redacted. We didn't just come off the boat you know. Here goes again:W'salaamz and-why are we having ourselves on? Do you want a capability demonstration?As for commenting on bait being used as a catch, you mean what Glen did? Yep he let his OPSEC drills get slack and forgot, in his haste to set up a story that would sell, to mask his IP. Glen is a clever and able guy but it seems in this case he's let greed and ego get in the way, maybe. Also he probably didn't have to write the leading questions that he did, with people like Saladin1970 around they could have bitten anyway. So, yes Glen got sloppy. BTW he's not a former colleague and we don't bait people on the same side. He used to do a good job until this goatfuck.What is "trolling"? I don't understand the reference.W'slmz againXFayruzPS Yarah, who works with us, is laughing behind me cos she's reading Numerati and she's just got to the bit about SEOs. That's you innit!

By: Manic

Manic — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:50:48 +0000

I'd prefer to conduct this conversation in the open for now, Fayruz. There's been too much sneaking around for my liking.Would you care to repeat your PM here?

By: Fayruz

Fayruz — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:57:32 +0000

PM sent!XXXFyrz

By: Fayruz

Fayruz — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:42:37 +0000

What's a troll? Bait, catch? Bait Jenvey? No idea what you're on about, PM on its way to your email,w'slmz

By: Manic

Manic — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:56:37 +0000

The Cheerleaders, as in "we track and disrupt violent extremists, mostly Islamic extremists, based in the UK"…?Seems like a poor excuse for trolling if you ask me. I think you're having yourself on just a wee bit.Do you seriously have no comment on bait being used as evidence of a catch here? (Other than wishing to bait former colleague Glen Jenvey, that is.)

By: Fayruz

Fayruz — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:21:23 +0000

why, Al-Hur Al-Ayn, aka The Cheerleaders, my darling. Drop me an email at (my email) and you can ask the right questions.W'slmz andXFyrzPS do you know Richard Bartholomew? Love his work!