Comments on: Jenvey: another long and boring post about sock puppets

By: Cairene Shoe Fancier

Cairene Shoe Fancier — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:09:39 +0000

Having read through the whole sorry saga of the Hur al-Ayn in the comments of your earlier post, I googled them. It would seem that they've since pinched Brian Haw's myspace page. "Capability demonstration", indeed...http://www.myspace.com/mayorbrianhawPh33r t3h l33t h4xx0r 5kiLlz, y0.

By: Ummah

Ummah — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:11:49 +0000

Looks Like Glen Jenvey is back with his usual "Advice" LOL http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/crime-news/2009...Terror expert Glen Jenvey said: "There is a whole support network from outside prison walls for terrorists locked away in British prisons."They are sent religious texts, given links to extremist websites and handed all the tools they need to spread their fanatic ideology.

By: Bartholomew

Bartholomew — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:11:16 +0000

I agree – but it's interesting background, though.

By: mikkimoose

mikkimoose — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:02:05 +0000

The difference I think is that Jenvey's fake jihadi website was not the story itself – rather he intended to catch others with it.Maybe that was the intention this time too, but having failed to do so, he made his fake the story.

By: Bartholomew

Bartholomew — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:27:24 +0000

Plus Jenvey has "form", having previously run a fake jihadi website.

By: mikkimoose

mikkimoose — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:09:12 +0000

Jenvey's defence as communicated so poorly by Lionheart seems to be:1. The evidence that 'abuislam' is Jenvey comes from Ummah.2A. Ummah is biased against Jenvey and has fabricated that evidence aiming to frame Jenvey.OR2B. Ummah falsely claimed that 'abuislam' was 'rtims' because Ummah wanted to find a journalist who had posted on the site, and as 'rtims' was one, that would make the whole story fabricated by a journalist – the fact that r.tims turned out to be Glen Jenvey was not something ummah were aware of.The problem with 2B is that r.tims turns out, by independent evidence, to be Glen Jenvey, who provided the story to SWNS. This is too much of a coincidence to be credible.So then we have to believe that ummah had already noticed that r.tims was Glen Jenvey, and having seen that name in The Sun article, decided to falsely claim that r.tims was ummah, sealing the deal.This isn't credible either. R.tims' single post here:http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27488...is completely dull, and it's completely implausible that anyone would have bothered to research who was behind it, and even if they did, it's actually quite difficult to find out that R.tims is Glen Jenvey.So the only conclusion is that Ummah does indeed have evidence that R.Tims is abuislam, because it's just too unlikely for two out of 31,000 members of ummah to be juxtaposted in such a way otherwise, and far beyond reasonable doubt given that r.tims is Glen Jenvey and Glen Jenvey is the source of the story.Conclusion, the chance that ummah could have fabricated the link between r.tims and abuislam is close to zero.The only other defence, that r.tims is not Glen Jenvey is a non-starter, because the r.tims post was there long before abuislam ever turned up, so that's simply not workable, as the post only turns out to be useful after abuislam posts and Glen Jenvey sells his story to The Sun.Conclusion: Glen Jenvey is definitely a fraudster who fakes stories for profit and/or in order to discredit Muslims.BTW, ignore the other stuff by Lionheart about ummah supporting suicide bombings or whatever. It's not relevant, and should be ignored, not rebutted. What we have here is Glen Jenvey faking stories for personal gain. End of story. Ignore the other stuff.

By: Bartholomew

Bartholomew — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:26:31 +0000

Lionheart has now deleted all but the first of those comments and instead put up some new ones, albeit all in the same vein as before. Weird.

By: Manic

Manic — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:07:31 +0000

Didn't think for a moment that Lionheart had a case worth answering, but I'm happy to publish the response.

By: Ummah

Ummah — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:53:46 +0000

Hope you can approve this – just some info refuting the lionhearts articlePosted by the admin:=================================For ummah.com being setup by Abuhamza thats just all false and lies more propaganda. Yes there was a Supporters of Shariah "Folder" in the Ummah.com Domain – but back many years ago Ummah.com used to act as a "hosting company" Where we would set people up with hosting accounts and they would be free to upload their stuff on there. This SOS website once we found out about it we removed it since it violated our TOS, so we removed it straight away! The only Content we controlled was "main page" "forums" and the now defunct chatroom, other subfolders were files of people who wanted webhosting. As for myself i dont own ummah.com, Waha Media LTD does, just google it up ummah and waha media or whatever. Im just a moderator on there infact one of the main moderator being responsible for the backend stuff and dealing with this sort of crap that goes on. I have my own source we just get contracted out to manage websites and what not! and as for me being al Al-Qaeda Sympathizer..well yeh thats just laughable..go through my 30,000 posts and see if in anywhere do i endorse terrorism or talk about how much i love A-Q and what not? If i was really a sympethiser then im sure i'd be banged up by now…people can lie and slander all they like its just more propaganda these ilks like to spread..just cos we have exposed them they are trying to make up any old rubbish..if anyone wants to snoop around the backend of ummah then id be happy to let them..to see if they can "find any solid evidence of extremism"

By: Manic

Manic — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:25:43 +0000

Have spoken to Sajid. No formal investigation is underway yet, but the wheels are in motion, now that he has made a complaint.I expect I would have done doing the same thing in his position, and probably before now.I'll confirm what I can, when I can, but I'd like to discourage any loose chatter about it while the police are on the scene, so to speak.