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February 11, 2007

Guido Fawkes, the BNP, and ruthless pragmatism

[EDIT (10:05AM): THE BODY OF THIS POST HAS BEEN REMOVED. AN EXPLANATION FOLLOWS.]

Paul Delaire/Delarie Staines has requested that I publish one of his emails so his immediate response is available before what appeared above spreads from blog to blog to blog without it. I've included the correspondence that surrounded the single email he requested in order to provide the full and proper context.

I am happy to afford 'Guido Fawkes' this right of reply, and I'm sure that the multi-faceted irony will be appreciated by many readers of his weblog:

Paul Staines: Presumably you are unaware of the lengthy written retraction concerning that article by the journalist David Rose. Please take that down instantly.
Tim Ireland: Perhaps you would care to print it, then.

Paul Staines: I will have it to hand tomorrow Tim and provide it to you and all concerned with pleasure. Currently I am with my parents celebrating my birthday and the retraction is in my office. For your information the Observer most recently put the story to me recently, checked the retraction with David Rose and consequently did not run anything. Journalists usually check with the subject. I will be contacting LexisNexis to have the article removed as well. Presumably when the print archive was OCR'd the story was re-uploaded. We have our disagreements, but this is in a different league. You are making a mistake, presumably not maliciously, but it is still a mistake.

Tim Ireland: I have things to do today, too, Paul. I look forward to seeing the retraction and will happily react in a fair manner once I've done so. As I said on Bloggerheads, you have the right to explain yourself. At least, on my blog you do.

Paul Staines: Tim it is physically impossible for me to get that to you before tomorrow. When you see the retraction you will be embarrassed. I was fighting the BNP. The journalist concerned accepted that. Tim you are as aware of the laws as well as I am. It would be prudent to take it down pending sight of the retraction. You can then make an informed judgement. I am willing to accept it is a mistake now, if you don't take it down after being put on notice it could be construed as a malicious libel particularly in the context of your campaign. Give it 24 hours Tim, you might save us both a lot of grief.

For the record, the department of the Guardian that could confirm the existence of the alleged retraction won't be available until 11am tomorrow, so I'm giving Paul 25 hours.

Posted by Manic on February 11, 2007 8:55 AM in the category The Political Weblog Movement

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note the speed with which the self-styled 'libertarian conservative' avails himself of the power of the state:
- petty quibbles to statutory bodies about the activities of small charitable bodies.
- threats of proceedings against other 'new media' types.

Posted by: Al Stinson at February 11, 2007 12:54 PM

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	« The Liar Returns \| Main \| "Back, and to the right..." » February 11, 2007 Guido Fawkes, the BNP, and ruthless pragmatism [EDIT (10:05AM): THE BODY OF THIS POST HAS BEEN REMOVED. AN EXPLANATION FOLLOWS.] Paul Delaire/Delarie Staines has requested that I publish one of his emails so his immediate response is available before what appeared above spreads from blog to blog to blog without it. I've included the correspondence that surrounded the single email he requested in order to provide the full and proper context. I am happy to afford 'Guido Fawkes' this right of reply, and I'm sure that the multi-faceted irony will be appreciated by many readers of his weblog: Paul Staines: Presumably you are unaware of the lengthy written retraction concerning that article by the journalist David Rose. Please take that down instantly. Tim Ireland: Perhaps you would care to print it, then. Paul Staines: I will have it to hand tomorrow Tim and provide it to you and all concerned with pleasure. Currently I am with my parents celebrating my birthday and the retraction is in my office. For your information the Observer most recently put the story to me recently, checked the retraction with David Rose and consequently did not run anything. Journalists usually check with the subject. I will be contacting LexisNexis to have the article removed as well. Presumably when the print archive was OCR'd the story was re-uploaded. We have our disagreements, but this is in a different league. You are making a mistake, presumably not maliciously, but it is still a mistake. Tim Ireland: I have things to do today, too, Paul. I look forward to seeing the retraction and will happily react in a fair manner once I've done so. As I said on Bloggerheads, you have the right to explain yourself. At least, on my blog you do. Paul Staines: Tim it is physically impossible for me to get that to you before tomorrow. When you see the retraction you will be embarrassed. I was fighting the BNP. The journalist concerned accepted that. Tim you are as aware of the laws as well as I am. It would be prudent to take it down pending sight of the retraction. You can then make an informed judgement. I am willing to accept it is a mistake now, if you don't take it down after being put on notice it could be construed as a malicious libel particularly in the context of your campaign. Give it 24 hours Tim, you might save us both a lot of grief. For the record, the department of the Guardian that could confirm the existence of the alleged retraction won't be available until 11am tomorrow, so I'm giving Paul 25 hours. Posted by Manic on February 11, 2007 8:55 AM in the category The Political Weblog Movement Pings (Trackback) For trackbacks, this is the URL: http://www.bloggerheads.com/cgi-bin/mt-tbbh_20x07.pl/1316 Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Guido Fawkes, the BNP, and ruthless pragmatism: » Ex-Nazis, Ex-Stalinists from Harry's Place There's a piece on Pickled Politics about the blogger Guido Fawkes - aka Paul Staines - who has been "outed" as a man who, when... [Read More] Tracked on February 11, 2007 11:16 AM » Britblog Roundup #104 from Tim Worstall Once again, your nominations for those posts from the Britblogging community that you think should be seen by us all. You can make suggestions for next week's extravaganza by emailing the URL to britblog AT gmail DOT com. The big [Read More] Tracked on February 11, 2007 1:01 PM Comments note the speed with which the self-styled 'libertarian conservative' avails himself of the power of the state: - petty quibbles to statutory bodies about the activities of small charitable bodies. - threats of proceedings against other 'new media' types. Posted by: Al Stinson at February 11, 2007 12:54 PM - Post a comment Thanks for signing in, . Now you can comment. (sign out) (If you're new to Bloggerheads, you may need to be approved by the moderator before your comment will appear. Until then, it won't appear on the entry. Thanks for waiting.) URL: Remember me? YesNo Comments:

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