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« Jerry Springer: chat and post request | Main | Tara Conlan and John Beyer have misled the Christian community » January 9, 2005Jerry Springerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ---- breeeeeath---- *grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....rah!Huzzah! What a cracker! I'm going to be busy digging and sorting and emailing and working tomorrow and Monday. What I would really, really like to see (if you have the time) is some feedback from anyone who actually watched the show. Especially Christians. Who watched it. Please make a comment in this post or send me an email. People who are seeking information on this topic in Google and Yahoo are finding their way to this weblog. ... Oh, and while you're thinking if you should (they wanted it more) bother (they wanted it more) commenting... Think of the evil done by good men - or women - ("Shut up, Stan!") who would stand by and do nothing. Think of the people who have misrepresented 'their' cause. Think about everyone these people have misled or placed in danger. Then think of the actual message behind this opera. Then. Speak. The (erm...) Fudge. Up. Cheers all. With you shortly.... PS - I hereby offer a bounty of 5 white dress shirts in your size and and 5 matching ever-so-nifty black ties to the blogger who first brings me a verifiable statement from Quentin Tarantino disputing the claim for most swear words in a single broadcast in the UK. Posted by Manic on January 9, 2005 12:06 AM in the category Christ... Pings (Trackback)For trackbacks, this is the URL: Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Jerry Springerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ---- breeeeeath---- *grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....rah!:
» 13,600,000,000 from What You Can Get Away With Tracked on January 10, 2005 4:40 PM Comments This just in from Sky News: SPRINGER SHOW GOES AHEAD
Posted by: Wolf Solent at January 9, 2005 12:21 AM Well, it seems that we've survived without civilisation breaking down all around us, and all seems to be going on as before. Excellent show, very glad that they broadcast it and I wonder if it'll boost the number of people going to the theatre/opera after seeing it? Time for an email of thanks to the BBC, I think... Oh and I've had an idea for something related to this that you might be interested in, Tim. Expect an email tomorrow or Monday. Posted by: Nick Barlow at January 9, 2005 12:55 AM A quick ferret around the Christian Voice website shows that they're (a) howling mad theocrats and (b) possibly a one-man show, since few other names than Alan Green seem to show up in press releases. More significantly, they're also suspiciously hot on gay issues, and *big* fans of the BNP's Nick Griffin. This is from the July 2004 newsletter (http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/Newsletters/July_2004.pdf): "ordinary people would probably not be quite so outraged as BBC insiders by Mr Griffin?s denunciation of Islam. Those who live in Muslim-dominated areas are well aware of the threat..." Posted by: Wolf Solent at January 9, 2005 1:32 AM Very, very good, and if it hadn't been for the religious nut jobs and defenders of our values, I'd probably have missed it. What we need to do is discredit this whole 'it received x thousand complaints, so it must be bad' mentality. I suggest picking a completely innocuous programme and then organzing a campaign to get as many people as possible to complain about it - perhaps a nature programme that includes references to evolution, for example. Posted by: s7uar7 at January 9, 2005 3:10 AM Tap dancing Klansmen, I haven't laughed so much for ages. Posted by: bigdaddymerk at January 9, 2005 4:33 AM I've heard a couple of rumours that the protests outside the BBC are largely formed of members of the Peniel Pentecostal Church, which is basically a cult. Politics-watchers might remember Martin Bell standing in Brentwood & Ongar after complaints that Peniel members had infiltrated the local Conservative branch. Posted by: *End Is Forever* at January 9, 2005 2:08 PM Manic, hope you don't mind but I've knocked together a post on Mailwatch as The Daily Mail online ran with Death Threat story today. It's all here www.bigdaddymerk.co.uk/mailwatch/index.php?p=163 Posted by: Guy Gooberman at January 9, 2005 2:42 PM Manic- I've been looking for support for the BBC airing the show (in opposition to the small-minded minority making a counter-productive splash in the press). Anyone want to sign a petition supporting the BBC? Posted by: dak at January 9, 2005 3:17 PM The Ealing Times has put this under "War On Terror"... http://www.ealingtimes.co.uk/news/waronterror/display.var.557946.0.0.php Posted by: Wolf Solent at January 9, 2005 3:24 PM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4159217.stm Pulled in 1.7 million last night, more than a usual televised opera does. Intrestingly enough a programme about guns & Grant Mitchell (Ultimate Force, ITV1) pulled in 5.2 million. What's the world coming to! Posted by: bigdaddymerk at January 9, 2005 4:11 PM I'm not a Christian, but I was a very devout one as a teenager. I didn't see anything wrong with the show now, and I don't imagine I would have done back then either. I definitely liked the characterisation of God, too. I *would* email the BBC with a support message, but I'm nervous that *all* emails they receive about Jerry Springer will be filed under "complaints" at the moment. Has anyone seen today's Mail On Sunday front page, incidentally? It's all about Roly Keating being driven out of his "?1 million home" by protestors. Posted by: Caitlin at January 9, 2005 4:17 PM And a non-shouty-mad-crackers Christian report at http://www.indcatholicnews.com/springers.html "Deep concerns felt by Christian communities over the proposed broadcast of Jerry Springer the Opera on BBC 2 were expressed today in a high-level meeting between church representatives and the BBC. The BBC's Director of Television, Jana Bennett, Roly Keating, Controller of BBC2 and Peter Maniura, Head of Television Classical Music and Performance met representatives of the Churches' Media Council (the ecumenical organisation of the Christian churches for media issues), Revd Joel Edwards, General Secretary of the Evangelical Alliance, Revd David Coffey, Free Churches Moderator, Peter Blackman Director of the Churches Media Council, Dr Jim McDonnell representing The Rt Revd Kieron Conry, Bishop of Arundel and Brighton, Chairman of the Catholic Bishops' Strategic Communications Committee, and Arun Kataria representing the Rt Revd Nigel McCulloch, Bishop of Manchester, Senior Anglican spokesman on Communications. At the outset it was acknowledged that freedom of expression and the freedom to object peacefully are worthy of respect and of value in our society. The actions of those who had sought to make protests about the programme personal and to make them offensively were deeply deplored, as were those who had repeated inaccuracies about the programme." [...] Posted by: Wolf Solent at January 9, 2005 4:29 PM And it isn't a rumour about Peniel; this from the Telegraph at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/08/nspring08.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/08/ixhome.html - "Bishop Michael Reid, of the Peniel Church in Brentwood, Essex, who organised yesterday's protest, described the musical as "filth"." Posted by: Wolf Solent at January 9, 2005 4:34 PM Caitlin, it's difficult to see where to register support- that's why I posted that petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/BBCJSSUP/petition.html). I've also just written in support of the programme to ofcom (http://www.offcom.org.uk/) who'll be receiving most of the complaints now that the show's aired. I know petitions are pretty rubbish, but I really think that this is the kind of issue on which they can be made to count. If enough people knew about it, ten times the number of people who complained would sign in support of the bbc. Could ofcom or the bbc ignore that? I don't think so. And then we could get to work on getting Pope Town aired... (I know there are better things to get angry about than this- I really do- but it's turned out to be the straw that's broken my camelly back. So. Angry.) Posted by: dak at January 9, 2005 4:43 PM ITV teletext news is reporting that "Christians" (I'm guessing this means Christian Voice) are, as threatened, going to launch a private prosecution for blasphemy. Now that's going to be *fun*. Posted by: Wolf Solent at January 9, 2005 4:46 PM There's more on the blasphemy prosecution at http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=129817868&p=yz98y8574 and yes, it is Christian Voice behind it. It also mentions that "Since the programme went out, 317 calls were received by viewers, according to the latest figures [...] 28% appreciated the show, 16% were happy it was broadcast, 33% thought it was offensive and 23% though it should not have been broadcast." 28% of 317 is about 90 people. I'm sure between us we can rustle up that many again... Posted by: Wolf Solent at January 9, 2005 5:02 PM I really found it boring. Although the songs were fun, I got over the cunt fuck bitch dick singing after about 5 minutes. The shoehorning of the devil and jesus didn't make anymore satirical than it already was - and some of it was painfully over-done. The bit where jesus and satan swore at each other, with steve smoking in the middle? That must have been about 3 minutes long. A stupid, highminded version of Bottom Live that thought it was clever by referencing opera, the bible and swearing a lot. Missed opportunity. Posted by: snooo at January 9, 2005 6:29 PM As a protest, someone should get a car with a *loud* stereo, find out John Beyer's home address and go park outside his house and enjoy listening to the soundtrack for an evening. See if we can drive that fucker out of his home in fear of curse words. Posted by: James at January 9, 2005 7:53 PM The highlight for me was the news coverage on ITV News just as it was being screened. A female protester was detailing how appalling the opera was, how no one should see it. And then the reporter asked how the protester had already seen it. The protester paused - and then said she hadn't. I'll wager the majority of the protesters hadn't seen even a second of it. Posted by: Wibbler at January 9, 2005 8:34 PM [conspiracy hat on] BBC license up for renewal > BBC has a lot of enemies, not least the government > Unusually large and orchastrated anti-BBC response to programme > Government now has golden opportunity to beat BBC into submission. [conspiracy hat off] Posted by: Wibbler at January 9, 2005 8:35 PM And a very good reason for those toying with voting Tory this year not to bother: "The Conservatives also joined the attack on the screening, with deputy leader Michael Ancram saying the BBC had a duty to exercise caution." Caution? That's almost Father Ted-esque in its wooliness. "Careful Now" "Down with this sort of thing". Posted by: Scaryduck at January 9, 2005 10:16 PM Dear Christian Voice, We note that you were offended by our transmission of Jerry Springer: The Opera on 8 January. Sorry. If you were truly Christians, we'd advise you to do the following: a) turn the other cheek. Sorry again. The BBC. Posted by: Scaryduck at January 9, 2005 10:24 PM More on Peniel; according to an Indie article cited at http://www.apologeticsindex.org/p07.html, "...119 of Peniel's members joined the local Conservative Party and brought Bishop Reid's extremist views into the public arena. Among these were publicly-expressed positions that gypsies should be exterminated, that the unemployed should be allowed to starve, that homosexuals are "filthy perverts", that Muslims are "vile heathens", and that the European Union is a papist plot." Posted by: Wolf Solent at January 10, 2005 12:34 AM Hello, I'm a Christian. And I'm outraged. Not by the opera, you understand, but by the fact that the trusting, unquestioning mentality promoted by the parts of modern church (whether intentional or not) has been taken advantage of by what looks like manipulation by a few agenda-led individuals and has led to otherwise rational and intelligent people abandoning all their normal critical thought processes and creating a big fuss about, well, not very much, really. The fact that it now looks like The Great Satan himself is involved just makes me even more angry. (Murdoch, that is, not the feller with the horns from downstairs). To be fair, I don't exactly blame the people who forwarded the email to everyone in their address book, or who wrote complaints, or anything; most of them are (in my experience) just a little bit too trusting about anything that falls through their inbox proclaiming to be from authoritative Christian sources - in some ways, this is just another "Hell found in Siberia" type of thing. This sort of thing drops through my procmail filter all the time, and normally I just sigh, dig out the story on Snopes and email a refutal back. This time, though, it looks quite a lot more sinister - not an attempt to make people look foolish, but rather to manipulate the media by manufacturing an outrage out of an excitable religious community. I'd love to have seen it, but I had a prior engagement on saturday night. I'll have a dig around teh intarweb and see if I can find an avi of it or something. A fellow godbothering friend of mine saw the stage show down in London and thought it was hysterical. Posted by: parm at January 10, 2005 12:40 PM Parm: two links/leads from some recent comments at Fark.com... http://www.lokitorrent.com/torrents-details.php?id=96288 search for "Jerry Springer Opera" on www.isohunt.com If you have problems sourcing it, I taped it (VHS) and may have my hands on DivX version soon. Posted by: Manic at January 10, 2005 12:59 PM Hello That aside, we will all have to face God on the day of Judgement and give account. It is HIM we have offended. Posted by: J Say at January 21, 2005 12:40 PM Post a commentThanks for signing in, . Now you can comment. (sign out) (If you're new to Bloggerheads, you may need to be approved by the moderator before your comment will appear. Until then, it won't appear on the entry. Thanks for waiting.) | |