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March 1, 2005

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Guardian - Terror bill climbdown by Labour: Tony Blair's government last night sustained a significant blow to its authority when 60 Labour MPs, including four ex-cabinet ministers, rebelled against Charles Clarke's plans to impose control orders on terrorist suspects - despite last minute concessions - and helped slash their party's 161-vote majority to just 14.

Bloody lefties. Even Reuters has been infiltrated. As usual, I have to turn to The Sun for the truth...

The Sun - Better Still: The Home Secretary has reached a sensible compromise over the anti-terror laws. Charles Clarke's willingness to listen has produced a good result. The amended law is better than the original one that caused such a row in Parliament. Now, if the Home Secretary wishes to issue a control order against a terrorist suspect, he must consult a judge first. But while the judge is making his decision, the police will have the powers to hold the suspect. The Tories should stop trying to score points on such a vital issue. The new law will enable swift action to be taken against suspects while also safeguarding rights. It is a powerful weapon which we should all welcome.

See? It's not a defeat... it's an *improvement*....

Now we should stop all this political posturing and just allow Blair and Clarke to have their way. Before we all get blowed up.

;oP

UPDATE - The new Guardian blog points us to a list showing how MPs voted (see below). Mine voted against. Twice. So I'm going to write her a nice email at lunchtime.

Perhaps you'd care to look up your local MP after checking how (or if) they voted and write something suitable yourself.

UPDATE - Thanks to Anthony for this....

Click here for votes on Division No. 94
Click here for votes on Division No. 101

UPDATE - You may find it easier (and quicker) to simply look up your MP via PublicWhip.org.uk. This will also let you know how they've voted on similar/related issues in the past. Once you've looked your MP up and written an email expressing praise, confusion or disappointment, you may also want to have a play with the most-execllent 'Dream MP' function at PublicWhip.org.uk

Posted by Manic on March 1, 2005 10:30 AM in the category The War on Stupid

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Tim - the Guardian's list is the vote at 2nd reading where about 30 MPs rebels. The big rebellion of 60 MPs last night is here (Division 101):

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmhansrd/cm050228/debtext/50228-40.htm#50228-40_div101

(And in this division, Barbara Follett did revolt!)

Posted by: Anthony Wells at March 1, 2005 2:20 PM

Cheers, Anthony. Post updated.

Posted by: Manic at March 1, 2005 3:17 PM

Delving into pedants corner for a second, the links are the wrong was round. 94 was earlier than 101 ;)

(OK - I just wanted to update the link to show my new address :) )

Posted by: Anthony Wells at March 1, 2005 3:33 PM

(sigh)

Links fixed. Credit link updated, too. TypeKey will keep forcing that old link when you comment, BTW. You may need to kick off with a new profile if you want to whore http://pollingreport.co.uk/blog/ more effectively.

That URL again, folks:
http://pollingreport.co.uk/blog/index.php

;oP

Posted by: Manic at March 1, 2005 3:58 PM

I'm not sure what to make of my MP, Frank Field, as he voted against the first but for the second division.

His contribution was to suggest that the debate be extended by using opposition time - the opposition agreed to this but this possibility seemed to catch the deputy speake of the commons of guard:

"The Chair is unable to make any suggestion about the way in which the usual channels work. That is one of the great mysteries of the House. However, it is always open to the usual channels to act in the way that they think fit."

Isn't it wonderful that our parliamentary democracy doesn't even have a constitution for them to rip up!!

Posted by: Gavin at March 1, 2005 11:19 PM

I do all this work to make the voting usable, and you keep linking to the old hansard stuff. What's the use? Okay, so our server has been down all day due to a power failure, but it's up now. You can see all the edited motions for Terrorism laws back to 2001 with links to the precise items of legislation:

http://publicwhip.org.uk/dreammp.php?id=258

If you go to the page of one MP, you can compare them to this issue, and get:

http://publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Frank_Field&mpc=Birkenhead&dmp=258

Use it!!!

Posted by: goatchurch at March 2, 2005 1:31 AM

Sir! Yes, sir!

Post updated.

:O)

PS - You may be interested to know that I've also added you to 'sources' in the navbar.

Posted by: Manic at March 2, 2005 10:02 AM

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	« Another indication that Iran is next \| Main \| It's all good news, folks! » March 1, 2005 Climbdown every mountain Guardian - Terror bill climbdown by Labour: Tony Blair's government last night sustained a significant blow to its authority when 60 Labour MPs, including four ex-cabinet ministers, rebelled against Charles Clarke's plans to impose control orders on terrorist suspects - despite last minute concessions - and helped slash their party's 161-vote majority to just 14. Bloody lefties. Even Reuters has been infiltrated. As usual, I have to turn to The Sun for the truth... The Sun - Better Still: The Home Secretary has reached a sensible compromise over the anti-terror laws. Charles Clarke's willingness to listen has produced a good result. The amended law is better than the original one that caused such a row in Parliament. Now, if the Home Secretary wishes to issue a control order against a terrorist suspect, he must consult a judge first. But while the judge is making his decision, the police will have the powers to hold the suspect. The Tories should stop trying to score points on such a vital issue. The new law will enable swift action to be taken against suspects while also safeguarding rights. It is a powerful weapon which we should all welcome. See? It's not a defeat... it's an improvement.... Now we should stop all this political posturing and just allow Blair and Clarke to have their way. Before we all get blowed up. ;oP UPDATE - The new Guardian blog points us to a list showing how MPs voted (see below). Mine voted against. Twice. So I'm going to write her a nice email at lunchtime. Perhaps you'd care to look up your local MP after checking how (or if) they voted and write something suitable yourself. UPDATE - Thanks to Anthony for this.... Click here for votes on Division No. 94 Click here for votes on Division No. 101 UPDATE - You may find it easier (and quicker) to simply look up your MP via PublicWhip.org.uk. This will also let you know how they've voted on similar/related issues in the past. Once you've looked your MP up and written an email expressing praise, confusion or disappointment, you may also want to have a play with the most-execllent 'Dream MP' function at PublicWhip.org.uk Posted by Manic on March 1, 2005 10:30 AM in the category The War on Stupid Pings (Trackback) For trackbacks, this is the URL: http://www.bloggerheads.com/cgi-bin/mt-tbbh_20x07.pl/282 Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Climbdown every mountain: » Bush II: Human rights from Europhobia Via Bloggerheads, the new Observer blog has a link not only to the list of which MPs voted which way (handy reference for the upcoming election), but also a transcript of a superb account from Barbara Follett MP of why detention orders should be anathe... [Read More] Tracked on March 1, 2005 12:03 PM Comments Tim - the Guardian's list is the vote at 2nd reading where about 30 MPs rebels. The big rebellion of 60 MPs last night is here (Division 101): http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmhansrd/cm050228/debtext/50228-40.htm#50228-40_div101 (And in this division, Barbara Follett did revolt!) Posted by: Anthony Wells at March 1, 2005 2:20 PM Cheers, Anthony. Post updated. Posted by: Manic at March 1, 2005 3:17 PM Delving into pedants corner for a second, the links are the wrong was round. 94 was earlier than 101 ;) (OK - I just wanted to update the link to show my new address :) ) Posted by: Anthony Wells at March 1, 2005 3:33 PM (sigh) Links fixed. Credit link updated, too. TypeKey will keep forcing that old link when you comment, BTW. You may need to kick off with a new profile if you want to whore http://pollingreport.co.uk/blog/ more effectively. That URL again, folks: http://pollingreport.co.uk/blog/index.php ;oP Posted by: Manic at March 1, 2005 3:58 PM I'm not sure what to make of my MP, Frank Field, as he voted against the first but for the second division. His contribution was to suggest that the debate be extended by using opposition time - the opposition agreed to this but this possibility seemed to catch the deputy speake of the commons of guard: "The Chair is unable to make any suggestion about the way in which the usual channels work. That is one of the great mysteries of the House. However, it is always open to the usual channels to act in the way that they think fit." Isn't it wonderful that our parliamentary democracy doesn't even have a constitution for them to rip up!! Posted by: Gavin at March 1, 2005 11:19 PM I do all this work to make the voting usable, and you keep linking to the old hansard stuff. What's the use? Okay, so our server has been down all day due to a power failure, but it's up now. You can see all the edited motions for Terrorism laws back to 2001 with links to the precise items of legislation: http://publicwhip.org.uk/dreammp.php?id=258 If you go to the page of one MP, you can compare them to this issue, and get: http://publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Frank_Field&mpc=Birkenhead&dmp=258 Use it!!! Posted by: goatchurch at March 2, 2005 1:31 AM Sir! Yes, sir! Post updated. :O) PS - You may be interested to know that I've also added you to 'sources' in the navbar. Posted by: Manic at March 2, 2005 10:02 AM Post a comment Thanks for signing in, . Now you can comment. (sign out) (If you're new to Bloggerheads, you may need to be approved by the moderator before your comment will appear. Until then, it won't appear on the entry. Thanks for waiting.) URL: Remember me? YesNo Comments:

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