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New Statesman – Justin McKeating: Not Bright’s Blog III – Guido j’accuse!: Self-styled blogging guru and Tory A-lister, Iain Dale, described Tim as a ‘nihilist’ on his 18 Doughty Street webTV show. Now, at this point it’s necessary for me to declare my interest (this is how it’s done Mr Dale). Tim Ireland is a personal friend of mine. That might make me biased, but taking a look at the various campaigns that Tim has run over the past few years in order to foster positive political engagement – building blogs for MPs, organising tactical voting campaigns and protesting against the Parliament Square protest ban – and ‘nihilist’ is the last word you would use to describe him.
I’ve highlighted this passage in particular for two reasons:
2. Iain Dale has denied describing me as a nihilist (and I think we can expect him to repeat that denial now this article exists).
—– Original Message —–
From: Tim Ireland
Sent: 16 January 2007 18:25
To: Iain Dale
Subject: Re: “The power of blogging flows from directly connecting with the readers…
> This just in: “Iain Dale said you were a ‘nihilist’ on 18DS last night”
> So you see fit to rubbish/dismiss me on your show, but not mention the issue on
> your weblog where your hypocrisy can be highlighted.
> Figures; all mouth and no trousers.
—– Original Message —–
From: Iain Dale
To: ‘Tim Ireland’
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: “The power of blogging flows from directly connecting with the readers…
> I never said anything of the sort. Seeing as until I just looked it up I hadn’t got a
> fucking clue what a nihilist is, I’m hardly likely to call you one, am I?
> You fight your own battles with Mr Fawkes. I’m really not interested in participating.
Tch. Such language from a man who objects to use of ‘the C-word’.
I am now about to prove that Iain Dale is a liar… a big, fat liar. A liar, liar, liar with his lying pants on fire.
And I can say that he is a liar as often as I like… because he lied to me!
He’s a liar!
(Heh. This is fun.)
If you wish, you can access the relevant discussion via the Fox News Lite link below:
Blogger TV (15/01/2007): Iain Dale discusses the issues of the week that has got the blogging world excited. Iain Dale is joined by Devil’s Kitchen, Labour MP Nick Palmer, Mark Pack of libdemvoice.org, blogging MP Richard Spring and James Oates of cicerossongs.blogspot.com. Originally aired on 15/01/2007.
The 18DoughtyStreet website currently forces many web users to sit through videos from start to finish, so if you have the patience for it, you can sit through the whole programme and gawp in wonder as the pretentious twat gasps that Tom Watson has been blogging for a long time… “even longer than me!”
Or, you can take a short-cut straight to the this audio file of the relevant exchange.
“(Guido) is a nihilist, effectively… and I really think that’s what Tim Ireland is pointing out…”
Then Iain Dale interjects with this:
“Well isn’t Tim Ireland one as well?”
Now technically, it could be argued that Iain was merely asking if I was a nihilist; not stating a fact, merely asking a question… but let’s pop back to Iain’s denial, less than 24 hours later:
“I never said anything of the sort. Seeing as until I just looked it up I hadn’t got a fucking clue what a nihilist is, I’m hardly likely to call you one, am I?”
But Iain did say something of that exact sort, and any reference to the dictionary would have been completely surplus to requirements because he threw the same word back in a guest’s face just the night before!
Iain Dale, you lied to me.
Iain Dale, you insulted me.
I want you to apologise on air, tonight if possible. Please make your apology sincere, to camera, and do try not to bury it in the tail end of a programme.
I would also like you to apologise on your weblog… and when you do so, I’d like it to appear without any warm-up suggesting that I’m a foul-mouthed conspiracy loon.
Remember that – if you are unable to put forward a decent case proving that I’m a nihilist – that you need to apologise for the lie and the insult.
Get to it. Liar.
UPDATE (8:30pm) – Over 3 hours later and not a word from Iain Dale. And he’s got the night off, too. I’m still dumbstruck that the lie was such a bold one. If he’d pulled up short at denying that he’d said it, he could simply have claimed that he forgot saying it… but most people don’t forget the meaning of a word overnight without a major head injury.
PS – I think it goes without saying that if he tries to squirm his way out of it and insult me (again) at the same time, I’m going to be just a little bit upset.